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schooleaver05
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:22 am    Post subject: i need some early advice plz Reply with quote

hello all i finished school this year and only getting an op 2 didint let me get into med with umat being around 250 percentile

the thing is i have been offered pharmacy / physio / science

which one will be of good assistance for gamsat

alos taking into consideration that if u dont make the cut a science graduate means not much compared to a chemist or a physio

i.e is it possible to clear gamsat via not taking science etc etc and what should i start doing now to best enchance my chances to get into medicine

cheers
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Deridas
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'Day,

Ah, a Queenslander, I did my High School in Queensland as well. Currently at The University of Sydney studying Science (2nd year 2006).

Congratulations for not making Medicine Undergraduate. I can tell you now that it's a blessing in disguise.

With an initial degree of 3 years (usually they're three years), you will get an extra 3 years to decide if a career in medicine is really a career you wish for in your life. In three years, you would've gotten more life experience, more mature, and clearer life goals. By doing Medicine Undergraduate, you run the risk of studying a subject you mightn't feel comfortable with suddenly down the track, and then you'll have limited options in terms of transfering to other areas of study at university.

Rather than thinking about "What should I do to benefit my GAMSAT and medicine chances", why don't you think about "What should I do in these 3 years to improve myself, to gow in maturity and life experiences?".

University life is very different to High School, especially when you're living independently 1000 kms away from home. You've got to learn how to look after yourself, look after your diet, your lifestyle, do your own laundry, buy your own groceries. You've also got to start afresh, make new friends, experience new social groups, and try to acustom to a completely new and fresh setting and environment. I'd suggest you work on and experience these skills before even thinking about GAMSAT and Postgraduate-Medicine. If you don't know how to adjust to a new environment, new social groups, and look after yourself, then you can forget about being a good Doctor. Even if you do end up studying Medicine, you wont make a very good doctor.

Think about what you can do to grow, mature, and experience. Maybe pick up a new sport or two, experience new cultures, learn a musical instrument, experience voluntary work, join a couple of clubs and societies on campus which you've never thought about experiencing before, or even join a committee and experience what it's like to organise events, keep financial records, take minutes in meetings etc.

It's amazing how little we have yet to experience in this world. I was 17 when I graduated from grade 12. There's still a long, long way to go, don't simply set your sights on one goal (Medicine) and be blind to what other potential options and careers that are out there. By experiencing more of life, and grow in maturity, we are then able to make a more clearer judgement on what career we feel we would be able to not only enjoy, but able to use our career for the common good.

So, for one. Forget about medicine. Keep postgraduate medicine in the back of your mind, but realise that your next 3 (or 4) years will be a chance to mature, and make the decision to pursue medicine maybe 2 or years down the track. An initial degree also allows you to experience what it's like to pursue a career in another direction.

I seriously doubt your passion for Medicine.

First of all, your consideration of "Science Graduate does not mean much compared to Pharmacy or Physio", is ridiculous. What do you mean "not much"? Have you experienced science yet? Have you studyed Science at Uni before? Have you undertaken research projects? Have you been told and experienced what a career in science will lead you?
A science degree means a lot. A science degree is just as good as Pharmacy or Physio. Whatever rubbish you heard that a science degree "dosn't mean as much", is probably from parents or similar people who have old fashioned views and ideas. Science Research is a massive field and can be incredibly satisfying.

Unless the reason why you judge a science degree as "Not much" is because you don't get as much pay, professionalism, and respect as Pharmacy or Physio. If that's the case, then I'll SERIOUS reconsider why you wanted to do Medicine in the first place.

Which three to do to aid GAMSAT? I don't think I need to tell you. The answer's pretty clear if you read the course outlines and the GAMSAT booklet. It's basically putting one and one together.

Pharmacy, and Physio, just like Medicine, dosn't allow much flexibility, and the conclusion is a profession which is pretty straight forward. If it never crossed your mind in high school that you'd become a Pharmacist or a Physiothearapist, then Pharmacy and Physio definity isn't for you, because you'll be doing Pharmacy and Physio because you have scored the OP/UAI/ENTER for it, not because you truly want to become a Pharmacist or a Physiothearapist. You'll be doing it for all the wrong reasons.

By the way, with a science degree, it's 3 years. Pharmacy and Physio is minimum 4 years. If you were after Med, why do an extra year?

Don't you worry about doing a degree that isn't worth much, that's only BS that parents tell their little kids.


PS - It'll be great if somebody can sticky this, I hope people can read what I wrote and hopfully give people who read this a clearer mind on what options are out there.
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mary
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they were just after some advice,
not a lecture on how young they are, I am willing to bet the person who wrote the reply is under 25. get off your high horse.

for school leaver 05, a bachelor in science is probably the best course for helping you sit the GAMSAT and getting into post-grad medicine. If you,re serious don,t ever let people tell you your not, and believe in yourself. If you want it and work at it and you,ll get it.
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dp
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deridas,
you are arrogant, it scares me that someone like you is trying to get into medicine.

for school leaver 05.
if you are sure you want to do medicine then go for science. if you have doubts pick something else you are interested in. Post graduate medicine is open to most bachelor degrees so you can always sit for it if you are still interested, there are plenty of GAMSAT preperation courses and study guides you can get to help you prepare later on if you don,t continue with science now.

and if you pick a science degree now you can always transfer out of it later into something else if you change your mind. Just remember nothing has to be final. Just make a decision, any one will do because if you don,t like it, you can always make another decision.

you don,t have to be 100% on medicine. trust me it,s never too late.
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akharmon81
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I just wanted to let you know that I did a Bachelor of Music as my undergraduate degree (always knowing that i wanted to do medicine) because it was what i enjoyed, and I am now finding the questions on the practice tests fine. With a little bit of study on the basic concepts, you will be able to pass the gamsat if that is what you truly want to do. So choose something that you'll find interesting and enjoyable - and if medicine is your goal, then you should find science very interesting.

There is also a course at QUT, it's the Bachelor of Science (Medical Science) and a lot of the students go on to do medicine, so it gives you a good grounding (my dad co-ordinates the course, that is how i know this..)

Good luck! Very Happy
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science_geek
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,
I would just like to say that I think some of the things Deridas has said
are very true. I have completed a Bachelor of Science and shudder
at the thought of what little perspective I had after leaving high school!
My goals and desires have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY changed
since then, as have my own personal philosophies and view on life
in general.
Without meaning to sound pompus, I now have a perspective and
maturity that I didn't even know I was missing before I started uni.
I agree with Deridas's comment about not getting into undergrad
entry medicine as being a blessing in disguise. By studying science before
trying to tackle medicine you will develop and harbour a logical and analytical mind that will be of immense value for the rest of your life, not just further studies.
I also think that, of the courses you mentioned, a BSc would be the
way to go; but of course I'm a little biased there Wink
Also, if Science was what you chose (and your uni gives you the freedom
to do so), choose 1 or 2 phiolosophy based subjects. I did and they were,
stangely enough, probably the most applicable to medicine

Hope this has been of some help.
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alex
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey schoolleaver 05
I am in the Syd uni Dental program and we have quite a few non science background people in our first year. The bottom line is that we all have equal difficulty with the difficult stuff. and we all find the easy stuff easy. so background doesn't really matter in terms of your ability to complete the course requirements.

In terms of which one of the courses to pick you need to also consider the possibility of not ever getting into medicine down the line - what would be your game plan then? Having initially done a science degree and then going on to do Physiotherapy I think it is also important to consider your job and career prospects after completing your first undergrad degree. We need more Physios and by the time you finish we will need more still. Physio will give you a career and also the prospect of entering a postgrad program. who knows after ten years as a physio you might decide on dentistry instead - like I did. As Maxwell Smaart used to say..."and loving it!"

Good luck with whatever you choose
alex

PS i didn't even bother reading past the first paragraph of the DEridas dribble - each to their own.
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spherion
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deridas wrote:
G'Day,

Ah, a Queenslander, I did my High School in Queensland as well. Currently at The University of Sydney studying Science (2nd year 2006).

Congratulations for not making Medicine Undergraduate. I can tell you now that it's a blessing in disguise.

With an initial degree of 3 years (usually they're three years), you will get an extra 3 years to decide if a career in medicine is really a career you wish for in your life. In three years, you would've gotten more life experience, more mature, and clearer life goals. By doing Medicine Undergraduate, you run the risk of studying a subject you mightn't feel comfortable with suddenly down the track, and then you'll have limited options in terms of transfering to other areas of study at university.

Rather than thinking about "What should I do to benefit my GAMSAT and medicine chances", why don't you think about "What should I do in these 3 years to improve myself, to gow in maturity and life experiences?".

University life is very different to High School, especially when you're living independently 1000 kms away from home. You've got to learn how to look after yourself, look after your diet, your lifestyle, do your own laundry, buy your own groceries. You've also got to start afresh, make new friends, experience new social groups, and try to acustom to a completely new and fresh setting and environment. I'd suggest you work on and experience these skills before even thinking about GAMSAT and Postgraduate-Medicine. If you don't know how to adjust to a new environment, new social groups, and look after yourself, then you can forget about being a good Doctor. Even if you do end up studying Medicine, you wont make a very good doctor.

Think about what you can do to grow, mature, and experience. Maybe pick up a new sport or two, experience new cultures, learn a musical instrument, experience voluntary work, join a couple of clubs and societies on campus which you've never thought about experiencing before, or even join a committee and experience what it's like to organise events, keep financial records, take minutes in meetings etc.

It's amazing how little we have yet to experience in this world. I was 17 when I graduated from grade 12. There's still a long, long way to go, don't simply set your sights on one goal (Medicine) and be blind to what other potential options and careers that are out there. By experiencing more of life, and grow in maturity, we are then able to make a more clearer judgement on what career we feel we would be able to not only enjoy, but able to use our career for the common good.

So, for one. Forget about medicine. Keep postgraduate medicine in the back of your mind, but realise that your next 3 (or 4) years will be a chance to mature, and make the decision to pursue medicine maybe 2 or years down the track. An initial degree also allows you to experience what it's like to pursue a career in another direction.

I seriously doubt your passion for Medicine.

First of all, your consideration of "Science Graduate does not mean much compared to Pharmacy or Physio", is ridiculous. What do you mean "not much"? Have you experienced science yet? Have you studyed Science at Uni before? Have you undertaken research projects? Have you been told and experienced what a career in science will lead you?
A science degree means a lot. A science degree is just as good as Pharmacy or Physio. Whatever rubbish you heard that a science degree "dosn't mean as much", is probably from parents or similar people who have old fashioned views and ideas. Science Research is a massive field and can be incredibly satisfying.

Unless the reason why you judge a science degree as "Not much" is because you don't get as much pay, professionalism, and respect as Pharmacy or Physio. If that's the case, then I'll SERIOUS reconsider why you wanted to do Medicine in the first place.

Which three to do to aid GAMSAT? I don't think I need to tell you. The answer's pretty clear if you read the course outlines and the GAMSAT booklet. It's basically putting one and one together.

Pharmacy, and Physio, just like Medicine, dosn't allow much flexibility, and the conclusion is a profession which is pretty straight forward. If it never crossed your mind in high school that you'd become a Pharmacist or a Physiothearapist, then Pharmacy and Physio definity isn't for you, because you'll be doing Pharmacy and Physio because you have scored the OP/UAI/ENTER for it, not because you truly want to become a Pharmacist or a Physiothearapist. You'll be doing it for all the wrong reasons.

By the way, with a science degree, it's 3 years. Pharmacy and Physio is minimum 4 years. If you were after Med, why do an extra year?

Don't you worry about doing a degree that isn't worth much, that's only BS that parents tell their little kids.


PS - It'll be great if somebody can sticky this, I hope people can read what I wrote and hopfully give people who read this a clearer mind on what options are out there.



Lol. This coming from a second year science student?
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LM
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Location: Canberra

PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Pre-MBBS Degree Reply with quote

I agree with the people who've advised school leavers to follow their hearts. There's no point in doing a course which you find difficult and boring just for the grades and a slightly easier time studying for the GAMSAT. As the music graduate said everyone can go well in the GAMSAT if they're sensible enough to buy some preparation materials and work hard prior to sitting the exam.

As someone said, the degree you choose does not have to dictate the path you take further down the track. For instance if you did a BSc or applied science degree in say physiotherapy and then decided on pharmacy (as apposed to medicine) you could probably do a two year Master of Pharmacy to change career direction.

It's also worth bearing in mind that nowadays it's not uncommon to have several different careers. I've done government policy work, program administration, HR, marketing and hopefully from 2008 will start an MBBS!
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